The Summer of Seismic Political Shocks

Labour of love. A fresh start for Britain as voters called time on the Tories.

Also this hour, my exclusive interview with the woman at the epicenter of Europe's lurch to the far right, Marine Le Pen.

Then, historian Heather Cox Richardson on the false equivalence created over a disastrous debate performance versus a violent threat to democracy.

And from my archive, former President Barack Obama on whether the idea of America can even survive a second Trump term. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices