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Casey Liss

John Siracusa

Marco Arment

Accidental Tech Podcast

• Pre-show: Casey requests an app from Marco 

Roon
Nugs

 • 🗣️ 
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 • 🗣️ New 
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ATP Dev: Nuggets of Wisdom
 • Follow-up: 

Suunto is… not young • (via Henri Sivonen) 

Garmin did beat Suunto to GPS watch though

The other neat explainer John was thinking of • (via 
Ben Landsberg • ) 

 • Previously: 

Eric Portis on Color Spaces
Bartosz Ciechanowski on… anything

Is Apple running out of A18 Pros • ‽ 😱

 • Apple IDs & passkeys (via 
Vitor • ) 

Others with this issue
Apple said it’d be fixed… two years ago

Stealing TV… may not be so wise. Shocker! • (via Nye Hughes) 

 • See also: 

Krebs on Security
Darknet Diaries • (via 
David Brownman • )

Ads are coming to Apple Maps • 

Newsroom

 • AI-generated code & copyright 

AI-generated art can’t be copyrighted
Can coding agents “relicense” through clean-room re-implementation? • 

No right to relicense this project

Monkey selfie
Claude, rewrite yourself

 • Ask ATP: 

 • When Marco goes on a 
saunter • with two watches, are the measurements similar? (via 
Jason • )

 • Why did Marco bother with colocation? (via Stephen Gozza)

 • Post-show: Casey’s silly 
new toy • 

Alex’s overview
Screenshot of a Linux machine
Screenshot of a Mac

Members-only • ATP Overtime: John tries to reach acceptance 

Apple approves AMD & Nvidia eGPU drivers
What if Apple adopted “MPX”-style modules? • (via Jan Wedekind) 

MK1 High Density Rack Mount

 • Bandwidth comparisons 

 • Thunderbolt 5 

 • 80 Gbit/s symmetric

 • 120 Gbit/s unidirectional for displays

 • SSD (M5 Max MacBook pro, 4 TB) 

 • 109 Gbit/s (13.6 GB/s) read

 • 142 Gbit/s (17.8 GB/s) write

PCIe speeds • on PCIe 5.0 

 • 1 lane: 32 Gbit/s (4 GB/s)

 • 16 lanes: 512 Gbit/s (64 GB/s)

 • …as compared to the Mac Pro’s 64 lanes across 4 slots (2,048 GBit/s) 

 • 17× Thunderbolt 5’s maximum single-direction speed

 • Internal vs. external SSD 

 • 2025 Mac Studio: ~5.5 GB/s

OWC Envoy Ultra • : 
~5.1 GB/s • ; 8 TB for $2,250

OWC Thunderblade • : 
~5.75 GB/s • ; 8 TB for $2,700

PolySoft third-party internal SSDs • 

Kickstarter • (ended November 2024)

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687: You Can Bend This Line

• Pre-show: The new 
Ceramic Shield 2 • in the iPhone 17 Pro is the real deal 

UniFi Travel Router
Cascades trail
Shenandoah National Park

 • 🗣️ 
ATP STORE • IS LIVE! 🗣️

 • Follow-up: 

Studio Display XDR • price drop‽ 😱 

 • Stephen Robles 

1
2

Casey’s snarky toot
 • Tangentially related: John’s 
Google One • price drop

 • John’s upgrade cycle (via Ryan Himmelwright)

 • How much hotter can a Mac get? 

Mac Studio power consumption
Mac Pro power consumption

 • Apple’s implementation of Passkeys (via Ben Frearson)

Apple subsidiary fined over $500k for breaching Russian sanctions
RetinaDisplays.com
CIE 1931 • & Apple’s 2026 CMFs 

 • They’re more than just a monitor calibration standard (via 
Eric Portis • )

 • The GOAT, 
Bartosz Ciechanowski • 

Mechanical Watch

CIE updates from 2015
On Apple’s CMF

 • Long Island and “mainland” 

United States v. Maine • (via 
Craig Bowers • )

The Greatest Podcast Ad Campaign of All Time • 

Overcast link
Every other podcast app
Casey’s write-up

Marco’s letter to John Ternus • 

A Tale of Two Letters

 • Ask ATP: 

 • How does Apple Silicon RAM work, anyway? (via 
Johnny “Decimal” Noble • )

 • Post-show: Marco Garmin-watch update 

Suunto Race S Titanium • (
Amazon • )

Garmin Venu 4
Garmin Forerunner 970
Garmin Fenix 8 Pro MicroLED

Members-only • ATP Overtime: 
The Claude Code leak • & how Claude “actually works” 

Regex to detect user anger
 • “Undercover mode” (via 
Aral Balkan • )

Future plans

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686: Write Two Letters

• Pre-show: 

 • Happy independence day, John!

The Great Saunter • 

Pedometer++

The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist

 • 🗣️ New 
ATP Member • Special: 
ATP Tier List: Home Screen Icons • 

More about the flag

 • Follow-up: 

 • Overcast transcripts 

Missed Apex

 • MacBook Neo 

Tim Cook on the MacBook Neo launch
 • New Ice Book? (via Adrian Bengtson) 

iBook “Snow”

Teardown by Framework founder Nirav Patel • 

Framework

 • MacBook Neo vs. Chromebooks 

 • “NFW”, says Henry

 • “This could be a breath of fresh air”, says Ari

 • “Medium” Core and M5 Pro/Max information from Apple 

Chance Miller at 9to5 Mac • 

Original article • 🇩🇪

PCI Express

 • Ubiquiti 

 • What about site-to-site VPN for Marco? 

UniFi Travel Router

 • “Not so fast, my friend” re: Wi-Fi 7 
MLO • 

YouTube announcement
Blog post

Some shadiness from January

 • 🪦 
RIP, Mac Pro • 🪦 

Thoroughly Considered #123: The Last Detail with John Siracusa
CUDA

 • Ask ATP: 

 • Are we running any iOS apps in macOS? (via Alex Kent)

 • How would we balance new shiny vs. familiarity? (via Michael Brescher Jr.)

 • Post-show: John and Marco bicker about islands 

Merriam-Webster’s definition of “mainland”

Members-only • ATP Overtime: 🥚 Update 

 • 10 February: 
Delayed to 2027
 • 20 February: 
Smart speaker with a camera? • 

The Information

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685: The Ability to Be Hotter

• Follow-up: 

 • Overcast & Transcriptions 

Marco had never seen inside a datacenter
 • What about podcasts that include their own transcripts (via 
Matt King • ) 

Apple Podcasts transcript options
 tag
MP3 ID3 “SYLT” tag

 • What is Marco using for a job queue? Perhaps 
Faktory • ? (via Drew Stephenson) 

beanstalkd
Ansible

Monitoring & control interface
 • Imagine a 
Beowulf cluster • of the minis… (via Aaron Dippner) 

System X
RDMA over Thunderbolt • was 
added in macOS 26.2
I Ran a Trillion Parameter AI on a Mac
Apple Didn’t Have to Go This Hard
Apple Insider

 • Mac fleet management advice 

Apple Business

 • AirPods Max popularity in New York

WWDC 2026 Announced
 • Ask ATP 

 • What’s the deal with 
passkeys • , anyway? (via Phillip Miller) 

XKCD

 • Does having an 8 GB RAM computer keep macOS lean? (via 
Jon Fabritius • )

 • Will we get an iPhone or iPad Pro that will use macOS when connected to a display? (via Keith Heaton) 

Michael Cook’s contrary opinion

 • Post-show: Casey is continuing to quiet quit his Synology 

DS1621+
Ubiquiti UNAS Pro
Casey’s NUC
Channels
Proxmox
Tailscale on YouTube
Derek Seaman’s Tech Blog (the extremely helpful listener 🥰)
ESPHome
Syncthing • & 
rclone
Proxmox Backup Server
Transmit
Forklift

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684: It’s Not What Young People Do

• Follow-up: 

You’re welcome, world
 • Formula 1 

 • A brief, renewed pitch to watch this season

 • Cameras 

 • Are not a large portion of the coverage (via Matt Rigby)

 • Failures don’t [usually] matter (via 
The Racing Line • ) 

Great camera overview video

 • The other perk of in-car footage (via Eric Fox)

 • On getting Sky Sports replays (via Brendan Webb)

 • Rosetta 

A deep dive from Colin McKellar
Instant Final Cut Pro deprecation warning • (via Tom Obarski)

iPhone 17e teardown
 • MacBook Neo 

Gruber on the camera & mic on-screen indicators • 

Apple Platform Security Guide
On Apple Exclaves • (Medium link)

 • CPU benchmark correction (via Philipp Sommer)

 • SSD benchmarks (via Vito Traino) 

Andrew Marc David’s review
M1 MacBook Air benchmarks
General Apple Silicon benchmarks • 

AmorphousDiskMark
MacBook SSD benchmarks

 • John’s and Marco’s hands-on impressions

 • Teardowns 

Tech Re-Nu
 • iFixIt 

Video
Blog post

AirPods Max 2 • 

Newsroom
 • John 
wins • 
the bet • (
Overcast timestamp link • )

Apple’s compare page

Overcast beta now has transcripts! • 

Mac Mini Vault
Green Mini Host
FileVault over SSH
launchd
XPC

 • Post-show Neutral: 
BMW i3 Revealed • 

The Verge
Ars Technica

Members-only • ATP Overtime: Apple’s 27 OSes and Liquid Glass 

Gurman on 15 February
Gurman on 15 March

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683: I Didn’t Want to Melt My Rug

• Pre-show: Casey 
brings us back • to Anniversary Corner 

Related episode of ATP

 • Follow-up: 

 • An explanation for John’s 
post that broke containment • (via Thomas Dickson)

 • MacBook Neo 

 • John’s theory about color & clamshells

 • The M1 MacBook Air was 
American • Walmarts only. (via 
Pierre-Luc Gagné • ) 

 • Aside also via P-L: does the Neo run 
Rosetta 2 • ?

 • MacBook Neo inputs 🤝 iPad Air inputs (via Andrew Larson)

 • SSD speeds (via 
The Verge • )

 • The  logo 

iPhone 5 intro video • is what John was thinking of (via 
Peter Puleio • )

Jason’s review

Dave2D’s review
Teardown
Tyler Stalman on the Neo running “pro” apps

 • Performance Cores vs. Super Cores 

 • New in Xcode 24.6β3: 
CPUFAMILY_ARM_SOTRA • (
H17S • ) (via 
Brendan Shanks • ) 

H17S • is the missing M5 Pro identifier 
from iOS 26.3 RC

Quinn’s review • 

 • M5 Pro & Max are on N3P; M5 is N3E

 • Baidu leakers 

 • Super cores (“P-Core”) 

 • 4.61 GHz

 • 10-wide decoding

 • Performance cores (“M-Core”) 

 • 4.38 GHz

 • 7-wide decoding

 • ~70% the performance of a Super Core

 • Dual operating mode from efficiency cores

 • Efficiency cores (“E-Core”) 

 • 3.05 GHz

 • 6-wide decoding

Andrew Cunningham at Ars • 

 • L2 cache 

 • Super: 16 MB

 • Performance: 8 MB

 • Efficiency: 6MB

Minimum • clock speed: 

 • Super: 1,308 MHz

 • Performance: 1,344 MHz

 • Efficiency: 972 MHz

 • Fusion architecture (via 
Frederic_Orange • )

 • MacBook Pro Storage pricing (via Richard Allen)

 • MacBook keyboard glyphs (via 
Dan Moren • )

 • Environmental progress (via 
Andrew Leahey • ) 

TOSTracker
Example individual comparison

 • Third-party displays (via Dan Boyle)

 • Pro Display XDR or Studio Display XDR? (asked by 
Imthaz • )

 • Studio Display XDR 

UFO Test
MKBHD’s review • states it has 12 GB RAM 🤭

Studio Display XDR white paper • (PDF) (via 
Kevin Sliech • ) 

 • Superwide viewing angle

 • Timing controller (TCON)

 • Calibration

 • Display optimization modes

Formula 1 news • 

Drive to Survive • (Apple TV link)

Dad jokey-est promo video • (Also 
on YouTube • )

2026 season preview
F1TV • vs. Apple TV 

Link accounts

Romain Grosjean’s 

Samsung Galaxy S26 Privacy Display • 

MKBHD
The Verge

 • Post-show: Marco’s 
Garmin • adventures 

Great Saunter
Injinji toe socks
Altra Torin 8 wide shoes
Garmin Venu 4 41mm
Garmin Forerunner 570
Garmin Fenix 8
Suunto Race S
WorkOutDoors
Pedometer++

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Tahoe 26.4 warnings
Slightly more detail from Ars Technica

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682: Medium Core

• Pre-show: 
The best (but slowest) website on the internet • 

Million Dollar Homepage
2013 BMW M5 • (PDF)

2014 Honda Accord • (PDF)

M4 iPad Air
iPhone 17e
New displays • (‼️) 

 • Studio Display 2 

A19 per MacRumors
Some excellent throwback snark from Jack Wellborn

 • Studio Display XDR 

Day-one software update
Mac support • 

120Hz-worthy Macs

M5 MacBook Air • 

No change in RAM upgrade pricing • ?

M5 Pro & M5 Max • 

Efficiency cores still exist

M5 Pro & M5 Max MacBook Pros • 

 • If you squint, a 64GB MBP 
got cheaper

MacBook Neo • 

Name leak
Prior art
Jason’s review & charts
No indicator light
Jason’s observation about the Apple logo
Announcement video

 • Post-show: John had 
a post • break containment 

Context collapse

Members-only • ATP Overtime: Apple’s 
video podcast experience • 

HLS
Dan Moren notes prior art
Not based on RSS, laments Manton Reece
Stephen Robles’ video

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681: The Price of Your Nightmares

• Pre-show: Marco’s Watch and snow 
blows • woes 

TruFuel

 • Follow-up: 

 • Casey got the 
CableCARD • email 😭

YoLink • alternatives (via Joe) 

IKEA Matter-over-Thread announcement
KLIPPBOK (leak sensor)
BILRESA (remote control)
MYGGSPRAY (motion sensor)

 • House batteries & 
V2H • /
V2L • (via Russel Prouse) 

F-150 Lightning

 • On the value of M𝑥 Pro processors (via 
Rick Baumhauer • )

 • Tahoe window resizing workaround (via 
Nathan Manceaux-Panot • ) 

defaults write -g AppleEdgeResizeExteriorSize 8
defaults delete -g AppleEdgeResizeExteriorSize

 • macOS document model 

…was actually introduced in Mac OS X 10.7
…and noted in the beginning of the Mac OS X 10.8 review
 • Final Cut Pro X 
does • auto-save (via 
Ian Robinson • ) 

 • Technical details (via 
Videoalex • )

 • Microsoft Office 365 also auto-saves 
onto OneDrive in Windows • (via 
Éric • )

 • Saving files in Xcode (via Alex Kent)

 • Returning to 
Save As… • (via 
Eric deRuiter • ) 

System Settings • 

Desktop & Dock • → disable 
Close windows when quitting an application
Keyboard • → 
Keyboard Shortcuts • create an entry under 
All Applications • for 
Save As… • (using an ellipsis by typing 
⌥ ; • ) and assign it to 
⌘⇧S

Notepad++ • (via Emily Campbell)

 • Alternative to 
Due • (via 
Patrick Dumontel • ) 

GoodTask

Apple March 4 “experience” • 

MacRumors’ roundup of low-cost MacBook limitations

Apple to manufacture some Mac minis in the US • 

Wall Street Journal video
Accompanying article • 

Apple News link

This predates this administration?

 • Ask ATP: 

 • What are our current home & lock screens? (via 
Sagar Patel • ) 

ATP Insider: Roast My Home Screen
 • John: 
lock • & 
home
 • Casey: 
lock • & 
home • 

Indigo
Croissant

 • Marco: 
lock • & 
home

 • What’s our current desktop headphone setup? (via 
ziplyne • ) 

 • Overtime on 
ATP #675
 • Casey 

AirPods Pro 3
Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 32Ω
 • Desktop speakers 

Sonos Era 100 • × 2

Sonos Sub Mini
Sonos Combo Adapter

 • John: 

Sony MDR-7506
Kanto ORA4
ATP #630

 • Marco: 

 • Podcasting 

Beyerdynamic DT775 Pro 250Ω
Beyerdynamic EDT1770D Earpads
 • Schiit Jotunheim 2 (an older model; current is 
Jotunheim 3 • )

 • Music 

HifiMan HE6

 • Speakers 

 • KEF 
Q150 • / 
LSX II • & 
KC62
 • Amp for Q150: 
Fosi Audio BT30D

 • Post-show: Casey’s driven more cars 

BMW i4 M50
Audi e-tron GT

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Empowering the Next Wave of Silicon Engineers
Gell-Mann amnesia effect

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680: A Lot of Holes in That Cheese

• Pre-show: 

 • Marco beach… and app… cleanup results 

Instagram reel that John found
Due
YoLink Water Leak Starter Kit

 • We’re recording ✨from the future✨.

 • Follow-up: 

 • Should Casey look at a used 
Lucid Air • for ~$50k?

 • Marco’s 
defection • move to Chrome (via 
Sarvagnan • ) 

Helium Browser
unduck.link

 • Window resizing in Tahoe (via 
Jeff Johnson • ) 

“Resolved Issue” → “Known Issue” • 

Objective Development
LaunchBar
Little Snitch

AirTag 2 & speaker tampering
 • Cloudflare Open Access (via George Black) 

Explanatory video

Fastmail 🤝🏻 Perl • 

Fastmail’s donation
John’s referral link

 • Another Apple purchase migration warning (via Nick) 

Support document

YouTube is on visionOS • (App Store link)

Studio Display 2 to be… 90Hz • ? 🤨

New devices not on the latest-and-greatest TSMC process?
 • Where are you, M5 Pro MacBook Pro? 

Juli Clover at MacRumors
Ben Lovejoy at 9to5 Mac
Ben in December 2024
Vadim Yuryev (of MaxTech)

 • Ask ATP: 

 • What kind of battery backup should one use? (via Allen Shull) 

Casey’s “tailgate battery”
Casey’s “bequeathed” generator
Tesla Powerwall

 • Why do we think Ternus is a good idea as CEO? (via Kevin B.)

 • What’s the deal with 
Save As… • , 
Duplicate • , etc? (via 
Carl Walther • ) 

 • The new document model was actually introduced in 
Mac OS X 10.7 Lion in 2011
 • More from 
John’s Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion review in in 2012

 • Post-show: 
Casey’s Status Board
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679: An Adversarial Relationship With Myself

• Pre-show: Marco HVAC update 

Daikin
Trane
YoLink temperature sensors • (or 
this one with a wider temp. range • )

YoLink leak sensors
LoRa

 • 🗣️ New 
ATP Member’s Special • : 
ATP Insider: After Apple
 • Follow-up: 

 • Units corner 

Robert Tait’s video

WarGames display reincarnated • (via everyone) 

ATP Movie Club: WarGames
WarGames

 • AI 

 • Whoops, we whiffed on disclosing past/future sponsors 🤦🏻‍♂️

Steve Troughton-Smith’s experimentations • 

Three apps in one day
On usage limits

 • Dread & fatalism 

We Mourn Our Craft by Nolan Lawson
The Tipping Point by Thomas Ricouard • (Medium link 🤢)

 • Productivity promise vs. reality 

Anthropic study
Experienced developers are slower?
Microsoft study
Atlassian study
Berkeley: AI adoption ≠ productivity gains
Harvard: Slop hinders productivity
MIT: 95% of businesses see zero returns • (PDF)

Breaking the Spell of Vibe Coding by Rachel Thomas
AI-Generated Code Quality by Mark Levison
Comprehension Debt by Aman Shekhar
Your Brain on ChatGPT by Nataliya Kosmyna et al

 • Some related links from our AI conversation: 

n8n
Stratechery interview with Benedict Evans
Computer (occupation)
Memento mori

Steam Machine & Steam Frame delayed due to component shortages/price increases

Ferrari Luce • 

Andrew J. Hawkins at The Verge
Walkthrough video with Jordan Golon at PRNDL • 

Associated post

Dieter Rams
Patek Philippe Nautilus
Braun
Gordon Murray Automotive Type 50 • 

Shift knob & switchgear • (timestamp link to 18:04)

Other videos

Leica

 • Post-show: Casey is car shopping 

Porsche Taycan
Audi e-tron GT
BMW i4
Rivian R3
How the second-gen Porsche Taycan is better than the first-gen

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China’s ban on electric door handles • 

Tesla hit with another wrongful death suit by Andrew J. Hawkins
Flush door handles & efficiency by Jonathan M. Gitlin

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