The Forbidden Phrase, Categories of Listeners, and the Dumbest Idea Ever!

In this in-person conversation between friends, Mike Neglia and Bryan Kelly – lead pastor of WestChurch in Bradenton, Florida, host of the Cultivate Church Planting Podcast, and long-time church planter – mix plenty of laughs with rich wisdom for aspiring preachers and church planters.

They recall a trip to Uganda from last year, for the Expositors Collective conference, hosted at Calvary Chapel Kampala, and they reflect on the lessons it taught them about preaching, pastoring, and cross-cultural ministry. Bryan shares one of his brilliant ideas – livestreaming himself writing a sermon – which Mike thinks is actually “the dumbest idea ever.” Along the way, they unpack “the forbidden phrase” (“as we all know…”) and why it can unintentionally put up barriers for people who are new to the Bible.

The conversation covers explaining Scripture clearly, remembering the variety of people present in every congregation, and drawing on William Perkins’ (1558–1602) classic seven categories of hearers. They also explore how pastoring is both a God-given gift and a skill that can be developed, why church planting can be full of hard work yet surprising joy, and how a spin class can be a lot like attending church for the first time.

Full of humour, friendship, and practical insights, this episode is an encouraging listen for anyone committed to faithfully preaching God’s Word and shepherding God’s people.

Links: Raymond Bukenya episode: https://cgnmedia.org/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/the-urgent-need-for-mentorship-in-ministry Ray Bentley episode : https://cgnmedia.org/podcast/expositors-collective/episode/episode-18-the-gift-of-healing-the-empowering-of-the-holy-spirit-and-consecutive-bible-teaching Cultivate Podcast: https://cgnmedia.org/podcast/cultivate-church-planting

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