Chris and Andy talk about some of their runners-up for best TV episode of the year (1:00), and why they ultimately chose 'Shogun' Episode 9, "Crimson Sky," as the winner (26:06). Then, they are joined by show creators Justin Marks and Rachel Kondo, writer Caillin Puente, and lead actress Anna Sawai to talk about how making this episode was less about planning and more about immersing themselves in the story as they made the season (34:37) and how this episode became a showcase for Mariko's quiet power (56:14).

Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Guests: Rachel Kondo, Caillin Puente, Anna Sawai, and Justin Marks Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices