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Real Vision Podcast Network

Raoul Pal: The Journey Man

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⚪ Raoul Pal welcomes Alex Gurevich, founder and CIO at HonTe Investments, to discuss the second edition of his book, "The Next Perfect Trade." Raoul and Alex also explore how classic macro frameworks like risk parity and duration investing are colliding with a new era defined by AI, deflation, and massive liquidity responses. Recorded on January 19, 2026.
⚪ Follow Alex on X: @agurevich23

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The Next Perfect Trade (And Why It Only Happens Once a Decade)

🔥 Get my FREE PDF report https://rvtv.io/3YOZZUe. Welcome to Drinks with Raoul, Round 21... and the first live AMA of the year, coming to you straight from Crypto Gathering 2026 in Miami Beach.

☀️ In this special kickoff episode, Raoul lays out the case for why the macro cycle has shifted to a 5-year structure, what that means for crypto and global markets, and why 2026 is the year liquidity returns in force. It’s a message of clarity, optimism, and opportunity at a time when many are still stuck in short-term fear.

☀️ As always, you’ll get Raoul’s unfiltered thoughts on market structure, cultural shifts, a little chaos, and some high-quality Miami vibes and questions from our LIVE audience at the Loews hotel in South Beach. This is the start of something big!

Grab a drink. Tune in live. Let’s begin!

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🔴 URGENT: Drinks With Raoul Pal LIVE from Miami

☀️ Crypto Gathering Miami 2026: not everyone wants the full conference sprint. That’s why there’s the Social Pass ($300): welcome drinks, beach party, and Drinks with @RaoulGMI LIVE 🍷 
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⚪ Real Vision co-founder and CEO Raoul Pal sits down with digital artist and writer Mark Wilson, better known as DieWithTheMostLikes, for a wide-ranging conversation on art, identity, and the attention economy. From his roots in Middle America to years spent grinding through a soul-crushing corporate job, Mark shares his unlikely journey to becoming one of the most distinctive voices in digital art.
⚪ Follow Mark on X: @toadswiback
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Die With the Most Likes: Art in the Digital Age

☀️ Crypto Gathering Miami 2026: not everyone wants the full conference sprint. That’s why there’s the Social Pass ($300): welcome drinks, beach party, and Drinks with @RaoulGMI LIVE 🍷 
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When it comes to the AI race, Jeffrey Quesnelle, co-founder and CEO of Nous Research, thinks there's no stopping it. However, he is on a mission to ensure nation-states don't control it through a select few companies. On the latest Raoul Pal the Journey Man, he speaks about the need for decentralized, open-source AI, and how his company is trying to make it happen as it competes with centralized AI titans.
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URGENT: AI Is Inevitable. But Can It Be Better?

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🔥 Raoul Pal sits down with Lalitesh Katragadda, founder of Indihood and former Google engineering leader, to explore how the crowdsourcing principles that built Google Maps can unlock global coordination, financial inclusion, and new internet-scale platforms. From AI agents and declarative systems to decentralized banking in India, this conversation lays out a bold vision for technology that finally works for all eight billion people. Recorded December 19, 2025.
🔥 Follow Lalitesh on X: @KLalitesh

📣 Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and employs over 100 people in the US and Europe to manage a range of products, including ETFs, private alpha strategies, and SMAs for large investors. 
👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing.

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My other work:
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How Tech is Reinventing Banking

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A special presentation from Breakpoint 2026... In this week's special episode, Raoul Pal is releasing his macro seminar and keynote address from Breakpoint 2026. Filled with all the charts you could want, Raoul breaks down where we're at in the cycle and what to expect in the year ahead. Recorded on December 11, 2025.

📣 Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and employs over 100 people in the US and Europe to manage a range of products, including ETFs, private alpha strategies, and SMAs for large investors. 
👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing.

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URGENT: Raoul Pal's Macro Thesis UPDATE

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⚪ Raoul Pal and Mert Mumtaz, co-founder and CEO at Helius, dive into Mert’s journey through engineering, Coinbase, and Solana, to why he believes privacy is the missing pillar in crypto’s evolution. They explore Solana’s scaling advantages, the fundamentals behind Zcash, and why privacy, decentralization, and cryptography will shape the next phase of digital finance. Recorded on November 21, 2025.
⚪ X: @0xMert_

📣 Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and employs over 100 people in the US and Europe to manage a range of products, including ETFs, private alpha strategies, and SMAs for large investors. 
👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing.

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Surveillance States & The Fight for Financial Freedom

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⚪ Raoul Pal and Yat Siu, co-founder of Animoca Brands, discuss how crypto is evolving into a fully institutional, tokenized, and AI-driven economy, with altcoins, NFTs, and real-world tokenization set to grow far beyond Bitcoin. They argue that cultural adoption, financial inclusion, and blockchain-based property rights will reshape global markets as the industry matures. Recorded November 21, 2025
⚪ X: @ysiu

📣 Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and employs over 100 people in the US and Europe to manage a range of products, including ETFs, private alpha strategies, and SMAs for large investors. 
👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing.

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📣 Start investing today - ⁠https://gemini.com/realvision⁠.
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Is the Four-Year Cycle Dead? ft. Yat Siu

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⚪ Chris Burniske, partner at crypto venture capital firm Placeholder, joins Raoul Pal on the latest Journey Man to discuss his take on where we are in the cycle, widely seen on Crypto Twitter as bearish. Chris fleshes out the nuances in his approach, explains his expectations for the medium term, and offers words of wisdom to those struggling with this market mentally. Recorded on November 13, 2025.
⚪ X: @cburniske

📣 Bitwise has been all-in on crypto since 2017 and has more than 20 crypto-based products to help investors get the access they need. Bitwise manages the world’s largest crypto index fund, one of the top Bitcoin ETFs, and one of the largest institutional Ethereum staking solutions. Bitwise has over $10 billion in assets under management and employs over 100 people in the US and Europe to manage a range of products, including ETFs, private alpha strategies, and SMAs for large investors. 
👉 Check out Bitwise at https://bitwiseinvestments.com and let them know that Real Vision mentioned them. Carefully consider the extreme risks associated with crypto before investing.

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👉 Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠square.com/go/realvision⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more! #squarepod

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My other work:
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The Bull Case vs. the Bear Case ft. Chris Burniske

🔥 Join us in Miami for the Crypto Gathering - January 22-25. Get your early bird tickets here: https://rvtv.io/49QZAGI.

In the midst of panic and confusion, Drinks with Raoul returns with a much-needed voice of reason. Round 20 comes at a critical time: crypto is getting crushed, fear is everywhere, and the timeline is full of noise.

Raoul Pal cuts through the chaos with an urgent update on what’s really driving the market selloff. He’ll walk you through the broader macro picture, where we are in the business cycle, and what the extended cycle theory tells us about what’s next. This is about zooming out, understanding the structure beneath the surface, and staying focused while others lose their heads.
Expect alpha, clarity, and yes — some snobby snacks and wine talk to take the edge off. If you need perspective, you’ll find it here.

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🔴 Markets Bloodbath: Drinks With Raoul Pal (Round 20) - URGENT Update

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Join us as we revisit the best moments from The Journey Man throughout September. From deep macro insights to bold crypto predictions and breakthrough tech trends, Raoul Pal takes us on a thought-provoking ride across standout episodes:

⚪ Michael Howell: Mike Howell RETURNS: The Dollar Fix Is In — The Playbook for Gold, Tech & Bitcoin

⚪ Jamie Coutts: Is Bitcoin Giving Way to Altcoin Season?

⚪ Emmett Hollyer: Why Solana Built a Smartphone (And Why it Might Work)

⚪ Keith Grossman: The Golden Age of Crypto Has Begun

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September 2025: Raoul Pal The Journey Man's Monthly Recap

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