Fredrik talks to Sallyann Freudenberg - “Agile/Lean coach and practitioner, psychology of software development researcher, neuro-diversity advocate, ageing punk-rocker.” - about her research into pair programming, offices for everyone and how people actually (do not) split work when pair programming.

We also discuss what makes an expert an expert? What are lists and verbalization really good for? Research versus practise and how and what each side can learn from the other. And why the rift is there in the first place. The goals and methods of the two groups are pretty different.

We talked ina surprisingly noisy hotel lobby, so apologies for all the background noise. The conversation is clear enough that further filtering mostly made everything sound worse.

This episode was recorded during the developer conference Øredev 2015, where Sallyann gave a keynote presentation.

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Links

Understanding and supporting neurodiversity in software development • - Sallyann’s keynote at Øredev 2015

Sallyann’s research Etnographic studies Legitimate peripheral participation Laura Plonka Neurodiversity The art of thought • - Graham Wallas in 1926 on the four stages of creativity

Daniel Friedman Ivan Moore • - tea-driven development

Micki Chi Verbal overshadowing Cognitive offload Laurent Bossavit - The leprechauns of software engineering

Titles

• More about everything

• Commercial pair programmers

• The softer, broader stuff

• The benefits of pair programming

• We end up with everybody being better

• Knocking down all the offices with sledge hammers

• What I’d like to see is a blended environment

• 14500 pieces of pair programmer dialogue

• We want to think we’re so structured

• Everybody needs a quiet space from time to time

• My sample size of one