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New York Times Opinion

The first draft of our future. Mapping the new world order through interviews and conversations. Every Thursday, from New York Times Opinion.

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Matter of Opinion

Merry Christmas and happy holidays! This week Ross Douthat shares one of his favorite poems for the occasion, “The Journey of the Magi,” written by T.S. Eliot, to reflect on a year one might call “interesting.” See you next year!

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‘A Hard Time We Had of It’

Edgelords, Groypers, Sydney Sweeney’s jeans. American pop culture is having a right-wing moment. Ross recently joined the “Popcast” hosts Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli to debate whether it will ever be truly cool to be conservative in Hollywood.

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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Will It Ever Be Cool to Be Conservative?

After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, conspiracy theories and divisions multiplied on the right. On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross talks to Andrew Kolvet, a Turning Point USA spokesperson and executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” about what happens to a movement when its charismatic leader is gone, what it’s like to be the target of conspiracy theories, and whether there are any issues unifying conservatism now.

 • 01:32 - Andrew’s friendship with Charlie Kirk
 • 05:18 - Turning Point U.S.A.’s activism and impact
 • 11:16 - Charlie Kirk’s assassination and its aftermath
 • 18:42 - The divisions on the right start with conspiracy theories 
 • 38:28 - “Can the right hold together on Israel?”
 • 41:19 - Stress-testing the cohesion on the right
 • 56:08 - The Erika Kirk/Trump contrast

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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Is Anything Holding MAGA Together?

The transgender rights movement in America appeared to be gaining momentum. But after suffering a big loss before the Supreme Court in June and facing a shift in public opinion, where does the fight go now? 

On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross is joined by Chase Strangio, a transgender rights activist and a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, to discuss strategy in the courtroom and in the court of public opinion — as well as broader philosophical questions about transgender identity.

 • 02:15 - Bostock vs. Clayton County
 • 08:30 - United States v. Skrmetti
 • 22:57 - Defining sex, gender identity and transgender identity
 • 32:52 - Chase talks about “coming home”
 • 40:42 - Healthcare for transgender youth is changing
 • 56:58 - Sports and transgender athletes
 • 1:07:49 - Coexistence within the debate

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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The Shifting Politics of Transgender Rights

Happy Thanksgiving! If you’re dreading your family’s impending political feuds over turkey and dinner rolls, we’re here to share an episode that just might help guide you. In August, Osita Nwanevu, a progressive and the author of “The Right of the People: Democracy and the Case for a New American Founding,” joined Ross for a respectful debate about how we should be interrogating the democratic system the country is built on — without yelling or threats.

 • 5:21 - What's wrong with our democracy? 
 • 10:43 - Our undemocratic founding 
 • 18:36 - The case for more U.S. states and a new constitution
 • 25:27 - Where economic reform fits into this problem 
 • 30:54 - Does Trump represent the will of the people?
 • 38:50- What Trump’s presidency says about democracy
 • 42:06 - The elusive Bernie Sanders moment 
 • 48:05 - The mystical element of our politics

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.

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He Has a Plan for the Left. It Might Involve Overthrowing the Constitution.

Is antisemitism the next chapter of “America First”? Many see the appeal of antisemitic ideas among younger conservatives as a natural consequence of a hard right nationalist turn. Yoram Hazony — a prominent advocate of nationalist politics — is trying to keep that from happening. He joins Ross to discuss the root of right-wing antisemitism and what right-wing leaders should do about it.

 • 02:12 - Just how bad is antisemitism on the right?
 • 06:24 - The generational and theological rebellion
 • 14:35 - “The virtues of nationalism” and an American cultural center
 • 25:33 - Foreign policy under nationalism
 • 29:59 - The U.S. - Israel Relationship and antisemitism
 • 45:59 - What can nationalist leaders do about antisemitism

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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It’s Deeper Than Nick Fuentes

“There’s something very spiritually dark about the internet,” the author Paul Kingsnorth tells Ross Douthat in this week’s episode of “Interesting Times.” Kingsnorth warns against the expanding presence of technology in our lives and declares it “the war against human nature.”

 • 00:06:10 - Defining "The Machine"
 • 00:08:03 - Ecological vs. Spiritual Collapse
 • 00:15:03 - The Case for Modernity
 • 00:24:02 - The Four Ps of a Healthy Culture
 • 00:28:39 - Collapse, Revival, and The Internet
 • 00:34:05 - Thiel, Musk, and The Antichrist
 • 00:42:37 - The Choice in 'Alexandria'
 • 00:46:44 - How to Live Within The Machine

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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‘This Is the War Against Human Nature’

Is society too feminine or not feminine enough? Two conservative writers, Helen Andrews and Leah Libresco Sargeant, disagree on the answer. They join Ross Douthat to debate whether the feminization of institutions led to wokeism and a greater divide between men and women.

 • 01:33 “Wokeness is distinctively feminine.”
 • 06:17 - Has liberal feminism failed women?
 • 16:26 - The feminization of institutions
 • 20:47 - Defining feminine and masculine vices
 • 24:09 - Toxic femininity 
 • 39:09 - Defeminization in the workplace

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.

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Did Liberal Feminism Ruin the Workplace?

Does Zohran Mamdani’s win mean a new dawn for the Democratic Party? Not exactly, Ross Douthat argues. In this mini-episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross explains that the New York mayor’s office has historically been a “springboard to nowhere,” rather than a precursor for national politics.

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.

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Mamdani’s Victory Is Less Significant Than You Think

Who’s afraid of Palantir? The company’s chief technology officer, Shyam Sankar, joins Ross Douthat for a conversation about what the shadowy company actually does — and the thorny political and ethical questions it faces. They also discuss the new era of collaboration between Silicon Valley and the military, a personal project for Sankar, who was recently commissioned as a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve.

 • 01:37 - So, what does Palantir do?
 • 07:45 - The “kill chain”
 • 13:27 - The tech company’s relationship with I.C.E.
 • 18:09 - What happens to privacy?
 • 25:30 - Palantir and Israel
 • 27:22 - Sankar’s personal military journey
 • 34:43 - Silicon Valley’s militarization
 • 43:09 - TITAN, A.I. and the “Iron Man” suit

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.

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It’s Deeper Than Nick Fuentes

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