Want to make a veteran product person sad? Just ask them how they've used MVPs in the past. Once you get past the sobbing, you're likely to get stories of the myriad ways that a perfectly good experiment got turned into a v1 release.

It doesn't have to be like that! Dan Olsen joins us on the podcast to teach Lily & Randy how to actually control the scope of an MVP, guide us through some of his favourites, and why MVP failure can be considered a success.

Featured Links: Follow Dan on LinkedIn, Twitter and his Website｜Read Dan's The Lean Product Playbook｜Types of MVPs | Lean Product Meetup | The original MVP article How to successfully validate your idea with a Landing Page MVP - and the follow-up,four days later,| A Landing Page is NOT an MVP | Aaron Walter's book Designing for Emotion

Our Hosts Lily Smith enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She’s currently Chief Product Officer at BBC Maestro, and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She’s worked on a diverse range of products – leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath. Randy Silver is a Leadership & Product Coach and Consultant. He gets teams unstuck, helping you to supercharge your results. Randy's held interim CPO and Leadership roles at scale-ups and SMEs, advised start-ups, and been Head of Product at HSBC and Sainsbury’s. He participated in Silicon Valley Product Group’s Coaching the Coaches forum, and speaks frequently at conferences and events. You can join one of communities he runs for CPOs (CPO Circles), Product Managers (Product In the {A}ether) and Product Coaches. He’s the author of What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager’s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19. A recovering music journalist and editor, Randy also launched Amazon’s music stores in the US & UK.