Clive Langer and Steve Allen of cult Liverpool band Deaf School join Simon and Brian to talk about the writing of songs like 'What a Way to End it All', 'Taxi', 'Hi Jo Hi', '2nd Honeymoon', 'Knock Knock Knocking', 'Working Girls', 'I Wanna Be Your Boy' and 'Golden Showers'. Clive also talks about his work as a producer and the classic Robert Wyatt song 'Shipbuilding', which he wrote with Elvis Costello.