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Ton Dobbe

For B2B SaaS founders who are done blending in. 

The Remarkable SaaS Podcast features unfiltered conversations with SaaS founders navigating the real challenges of building software that matters. 

Hosted by Ton Dobbe, author of The Remarkable Effect, each episode zooms in on one of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies—like offering something truly valuable and desirable, and aiming to be different, not just better. 

Some guests are scaling fast. Others are still in the trenches—but all share hard-won lessons about what it really takes to create pull, shorten sales cycles, and become the only logical choice in their market. 

Expect: 

Honest conversations—no hype, no theory 

Tactical insights from sales-led SaaS founders 

Practical ideas you can apply to sharpen your product and your positioning 

If you're building a SaaS business that deserves attention—not just more noise—this podcast is for you.

Tech Entrepreneur on a Mission Podcast

A story about betting on what's coming—not what's working

This episode is for SaaS founders questioning whether their current traction is real momentum—or just comfortable motion.

Traction can be the most dangerous thing in a startup.

Andrei Pitis, CEO of Genezio, built a serverless developer platform with real users and real momentum. Then he killed it. Andrei Pitis built Vector Watch, a smartwatch with 30-day battery life, and sold it to Fitbit. With Genezio, he did something harder—killed a working product because he spotted a shift most founders missed.

And this inspired me to invite Andrei to my podcast. We explore why reading the future matters more than optimizing the present—and how that belief shaped a company pivot that produced 5-10x growth in months. Andrei shares candid insights about saying no to big customer money, choosing conversations over search terms, and why the best products are sculptures, not feature lists.

We also zoom in on two of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies: – Acknowledge you cannot please everyone – Master the art of curiosity

Andrei's journey proves that remarkable companies don't optimize what exists—they spot what's coming and build for it before the market catches up.

Here's one of Andrei's quotes that captures his philosophy on building products:

"A good product is not about the features that you put in. It's more about the things that you take out. Like a block of stone—you make a sculpture. You take out a lot of the stone, and you are left with something that appeals to certain kinds of people."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why walking away from traction can be the boldest growth decision a founder makes
 • What separates reading trends from following them in fast-moving markets
 • Why saying no to big customer money protects long-term product value
 • How building for global from day one shapes competitive advantage

For more information about the guest from this week: 

Guest: Andrei Pitis, CEO & Founder at Genezio 

Website: genezio.com

#393 – How Andrei Pitis killed a working product and grew 10x in months

A story about choosing margins over momentum—and letting investors call you wrong

This episode is for SaaS CEOs stuck around 20% EBITDA and wondering what it actually takes to double it without cutting their way there.

Most SaaS companies treat 20% EBITDA as a healthy number. Georgi Petrov targets 50.

Georgi, CEO of Uxify, has founded four companies in 15 years with two exits—including one to WP Engine. He doesn't get there by cutting. He gets there by building differently from day one: small teams with high ownership, self-service at premium prices, and a refusal to add cost before it earns its place.

And this inspired me to invite Georgi to my podcast. We explore why targeting 50% EBITDA changes every hiring decision, every pricing decision, and every partnership decision a founder makes. Georgi shares hard-won lessons on why small teams outperform large ones, why focus beats optionality, and why selling business outcomes—not product features—makes premium self-service pricing work.

We also zoom in on two of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies: – Acknowledge you cannot please everyone – Focus on the essence

Georgi's journey proves that starting from profit forces every decision to earn its place.

Here's one of Georgi's quotes that captures how he actually gets to 50% EBITDA:

"Most of the high-leverage decisions that we made turn out to be not so good decisions. We find the good somewhere in the middle. Not having a support team sounds like a high-leverage decision, but that's ultimately bad, because customers need 24/7 support. So, ultimately, expand the support team, but do it in a smarter way, and that's how we end up. If we're super able to leverage a lot, very likely we can achieve much more than 50%, but I think you end up somewhere about 50% ultimately."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why profitability shapes better decisions than fundraising ever will
 • What self-service at premium prices requires to actually work
 • Why the biggest partners rarely deliver the biggest results
 • When adding people stops creating productivity and starts destroying it

For more information about the guest from this week: 

Guest: Georgi Petrov, CEO of Uxify 

Website: uxify.com

#392 – How Georgi Petrov built four companies on profit, not fundraising

A story about users competitors can't steal

This episode is for SaaS founders wondering why their users like the product but don't love it.

Second movers usually copy the leader's playbook.

Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster Labs, took a different path. He joined as Head of Engineering in 2022, became CEO ten months later, and inherited a company that was #3 or #4 in a crowded category. Today they're #2 overall—and #1 for greenfield deployments.

The difference? Pete built a product with values so clear that choosing it feels like choosing sides.

And this inspired me to invite Pete to my podcast. We explore what happens when users choose you for reasons competitors can't copy. Pete shares why being #2 means you have to be 10x more aggressive, why relabeling a version number created an inflection point without changing code, and what broke when his sales forecasts started slipping.

You'll discover why the real challenge wasn't preserving his culture—it was changing it.

We also zoom in on two of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies: – Acknowledge you cannot please everyone – Master the art of curiosity

Pete's journey proves that remarkable companies don't just build tools—they build tribes.

Here's one of Pete's quotes that captures his contrarian belief about technical buyers:

"These technical folks connect with the values of the product in an emotional way. It's a very powerful thing. People would choose JavaScript frameworks based on their values—something that becomes their identity. People say brand marketing doesn't work on developers. I just think it's completely wrong.

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why healthy pipeline numbers lie
 • Why crossing the chasm meant changing culture, not preserving it
 • What a version number change did that new features couldn't
 • Why sales teams hold onto deals they should kill

For more information about the guest from this week: 

Guest: Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster Labs

Website: dagster.io

#391 – How Pete Hunt turned a tool into a tribe

A story about building market leadership by saying no to obvious growth—on purpose.

This episode is for SaaS founders chasing international expansion—and questioning if dominating locally first makes more sense.

Most SaaS companies chase international markets early. Get traction locally, then expand globally fast.

Jim Whatmore, CEO of Joblogic, walked away from that playbook. He spent three years attending HVAC shows in the US, picked up customers, then stopped. He saved his marketing budget for UK and Ireland only. He turned down international revenue to dominate his home market first.

From 11 people and £500K revenue in 2013 to 500 people today. Ten-year grind to £9M, then quadrupled in two years through four strategic acquisitions. Vista Equity Partners betting £100M+ on the execution.

And this inspired me to invite Jim to my podcast. We explore how geographic restraint and strategic patience create market dominance. Jim shares his thinking about why he walked away from US customers, how staying trade-agnostic opened entire markets, and why he spent four years completely rebuilding his cloud platform while competitors kept betting on their old stack. And you'll discover why he bought competitors instead of trying to outbuild them.

We also zoom in on three of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

Acknowledge you cannot please everyone 1. – UK and Ireland only, walking away from US revenue 
Focus on the essence 2. – Field engineer workflows are similar regardless of trade 
Master creating momentum 3. – Quadrupled revenue in two years after a decade of patient building

Jim's story is proof that dominating your home market beats chasing global reach too early.

Here's one of Jim's quotes that captures why geographic focus matters:

"Our tagline for job logic is growing job logic, for us, it's personal, and it's personal because of the tenure of a lot of my team have been with us for a long time, and a lot of our customers have been with us for a long time. And there's a lot of value in that, that we're present and that we're on the ground, and that we know our customers, and that's more difficult to achieve in a different geo without a bulletproof strategy."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why walking away from international revenue accelerates home market dominance
 • When staying trade-agnostic beats vertical specialization in field service
 • Why acquiring competitors with legacy tech accelerates customer base growth
 • What patience actually looks like when rebuilding platforms under competitive pressure

Guest Info

For more information about the guest from this week:

Guest: Jim Whatmore, CEO at Joblogic Website: joblogic.com

#390 – How Jim Whatmore chose patience over speed to dominate UK field service

A story about choosing what others avoid—and creating competitive advantage no one can copy.

This episode is for sales-led SaaS founders wondering why their AI product investments are not creating the competitive edge they expected.

Most SaaS companies race to add AI features and wonder why nothing changes.

Tal Peretz, CEO of Onfire, took the opposite path. Before writing a single line of code, he interviewed 275 revenue leaders. Then he spent months building a proprietary data layer from the public web—Reddit, Stack Overflow, Discord—tracking 50 million engineers. Only after that foundation was solid did he add AI on top.

The result: customers generating 4x more pipeline with the same headcount, $50 million in closed deals since beta launch, and a $20 million funding round.

And this inspired me to invite Tal to my podcast. We explore how mastering curiosity—reading signals competitors ignore—creates competitive moats that compound over time. Tal shares how 275 customer interviews revealed one critical pattern everyone else missed, and why choosing the hardest buyers simplified everything else. You'll discover why he spent months building invisible infrastructure before writing features, and how that decision alone separated Onfire from hundreds of AI tools fighting for attention.

We also zoom in on three of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

 • Master the art of curiosity
 • Aim to be different, not just better
 • Sell the idea, not the product

Tal's journey proves that remarkable companies don't chase the obvious path—they build the hard thing first, creating advantages no competitor can copy.

Here's one of Tal's quotes that captures his contrarian thesis:

"AI basically makes sales much harder, not easier, because the noise-to-ratio right now goes up. When we started the company, we said the main advantage is to find the needle in the haystack in your context. Building what we call our Knowledge Graph—this is probably the main IP of the company."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why building infrastructure before features creates advantages competitors cannot replicate
 • What customer discovery reveals when you interview hundreds before building anything
 • Why focusing on the hardest segment often creates easier sales than targeting everyone
 • Why adding intelligence to strong foundations beats bolting features onto weak data

For more information about the guest from this week:

Guest: Tal Peretz, Co-founder and CEO at Onfire 

Website: onfire.ai

#389 – How Tal Peretz questioned the AI playbook and created results competitors can't match

A story about solving two problems everyone else picks between.

This episode is for SaaS founders with deep domain expertise—and wondering why the market isn't responding the way they expected.

Most SaaS companies struggle because they know what the solution should be.

Panos Siozos, CEO of Learnworlds, came from a research background in educational technology—three generations of teachers, deep pedagogical expertise. He could have built the pedagogically perfect platform.

Instead, he put the scientists in the backseat and listened to what customers actually needed. That decision took him from building in isolation to 12,500 customers across 150 countries.

This inspired me to invite Panos to my podcast. We explore why expertise becomes dangerous when it drowns out customer truth. Panos shares what happens when your expertise blinds you to what customers already know. You'll discover why Learnworlds wins where every competitor chooses: learning depth or selling power.

We also zoom in on three of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

 • They offer something valuable AND desirable 
 • They master the art of curiosity 
 • They create NEW value possibilities

Panos's story is proof that customer problems beat perfect solutions.

Here's one of Panos's quotes that captures his customer-first philosophy:

"We put the scientists in the backseat. We said, Okay, now we may be theoretical experts in pedagogy and educational technology, but these guys, they have a problem. We need to solve their real problem, not the things that we have in our mind."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why theoretical expertise becomes dangerous when it silences customer problems
 • What happens when you marry deep capability with practical customer needs
 • When customers show you markets you never planned to serve
 • Why solving today's customer problem beats building tomorrow's perfect product

Guest Info

Guest: Panos Siozos, CEO & Co-founder Learnworlds Website: www.learnworlds.com

#388 – How Panos Siozos reached 12.5K customers across 150 countries

A story about how "everyone agrees" is the most dangerous lie in SaaS.

This episode is for SaaS founders frustrated watching their solution solve real problems—but wondering why no one actually buys it.

Most healthcare startups don't fail because their tech doesn't work. They fail because they can't find anyone willing to pay for it.

Mariano Garcia-Valiño, Founder and CEO of Axenya, spent 18 months proving his preventive care model worked clinically—reducing diabetes costs by 20% and mortality risk by 18%. Then he spent another year without selling a single dollar because insurers, hospitals, and patients all had reasons not to care enough to pay.

He found the answer by buying a healthcare broker and changing who he sold to: employers in Brazil who actually bear the cost and have the timeframe to benefit from prevention.

This inspired me to invite Mariano to my podcast. We explore why solving the right problem for the wrong buyer kills traction—and how changing your business model changes who cares. Mariano shares how he rejected the obvious paths (selling to insurers, doctors, or patients) and instead built a broker model that aligns incentives with outcomes. You'll discover why clinical proof means nothing without economic urgency.

We also zoom in on three of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

 • Acknowledge you cannot please everyone
 • Master the art of curiosity
 • Aim to be different, not just better

Mariano's story is proof that the best solution dies without the right buyer—and why changing your business model, not your product could be the easy way out.

Here's one of Mariano's quotes that captures the challenge he faced:

"It's one thing to actually see the problem and find a technical solution for the problem. It's a different thing to deploy it in the right place within a very complex value chain that has a lot of incentives that are not well aligned."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why solving a highly valuable and critical problem alone won't create a market without economic incentive alignment
 • What happens when you build for huge global humanity problems instead of expensive local ones
 • Why focusing on who pays reveals better opportunities than focusing on who uses
 • How buying your distribution channel creates stickiness competitors can't copy

For more information about the guest from this week:

Guest: Mariano Garcia-Valiño, Founder and CEO at Axenya 

Website: axenya.com

#387 – How Mariano Garcia-Valiño proved he could save lives—but couldn't find anyone willing to pay

A story about choosing autonomy over speed—and building something that lasts.

This episode is for SaaS founders tired of chasing growth rounds—and wondering if slow, profitable building could win.

Most software companies raise capital to scale fast. Rex Kurzius, Founder of Asset Panda, rejected that path entirely. His father ran a bakery. His brother built MailChimp. Rex grew up watching immigrant work ethic turn into entrepreneurial success—and applied the same principle to software.

He spent 13 years building Asset Panda from startup to a world-class asset tracking platform. No investors. No board pressure. No artificial timelines. Just solving one problem—asset tracking—and letting customer revenue fund each next step.

And this inspired me to invite Rex to my podcast. We explore why staying curious matters more than being right. Rex shares his thinking on positioning pivots (consumer to business, product to platform), building without investor timelines, and the inverse relationship between AI and headcount growth. You'll discover why he calls himself the turtle in the race—and what slow, steady building creates.

We also zoom in on three of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies: 

 • Master the art of curiosity 
 • Focus on the essence 
 • Turn customers into fans

Rex's story is proof that building slow beats chasing speed—when you solve real problems.

Here's one of Rex's quotes that captures his growth philosophy:

"It's not about being perfect, and it's not about being right. It's about being curious and having the ability to deal with failure, learn from that failure, and adapt to succeed."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why staying curious beats being right when building software
 • What happens when you fund growth with customer revenue, not investor capital
 • Why solving client problems matters more than hitting investor timelines
 • How building slow creates more enduring value than chasing speed

For more information about the guest from this week:

Guest: Rex Kurzius, Founder and CEO of Asset Panda

Website: assetpanda.com

#386 – How Rex Kurzius built a business that funds itself

A story about speed as strategy—and why saying no to billion-dollar deals built a stronger company.

This episode is for SaaS founders who feel stuck between landing big logos and building what actually scales.

Most SaaS companies don't fail because they lack ambition. They fail because they chase the wrong customers.

Mark Walker, CEO of Nue, took a different path. With decades in enterprise software—ERP, CRM, NetSuite—he joined Nue in March 2022 when it was pre-revenue and a "science experiment." He made one decision that changed everything: focus on speed over complexity. When Nvidia came calling, he said no. When asked to build for everyone, he picked his peers instead.

And this inspired me to invite Mark to my podcast. We explore why treating speed as your core product creates defensible value. Mark shares his philosophy on saying no to wrong-fit customers, building modular systems that compress implementation from years to weeks, and why honesty beats hype when competing against legacy vendors. You'll discover why OpenAI went live in 8 weeks and Anthropic in 12—and what that speed signals to the market.

We also zoom in on two of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

 • They acknowledge they cannot please everyone
 • They aim to be different, not just better

Mark's story is proof that when you optimize every decision for customer speed, saying no to complexity becomes your competitive advantage.

Here's one of Mark's quotes that captures his approach to market focus:

"If you want to be great at something, you have to be bad at something else. There are no NFL linemen who are also World Champion marathoners. They're both elite athletes, but they're not the same athlete."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why the fastest implementations come from saying no to features, not adding them
 • What happens when you tell a billion-dollar prospect they're not the right fit
 • When modularity beats monolithic systems in multi-model revenue businesses
 • Why traditional enterprises are preemptively switching systems before they know what's coming

For more information about the guest from this week:

Guest: Mark Walker, CEO at Nue

Website: nue.io

#385 – Speed is the strategy: Redefining Enterprise software for a changing world

When everyone else optimized for instant answers, Sid Masson built for depth and accuracy—and enterprise customers paid more for the difference.

This episode is for SaaS founders who feel trapped competing on speed—and suspect their customers actually want something else.

Most SaaS companies don't fail because they're too slow. They fail because they optimize for speed over trust.

Sid Masson, CEO and Co-founder of Wokelo, took a different path. He started his career as a management consultant doing private equity due diligence with dozens of tabs open, knowing how costly missed insights could be. When he began experimenting with early GPT models while pursuing his second master's in AI, he saw the potential to automate deep analysis—but refused to compromise on rigor.

While others chased instant gratification, Wokelo focused on producing more in-depth, decision-grade insights. That choice became its edge. Enterprise clients quickly recognized that thoughtful, well-supported answers were worth more than instant ones.

This inspired me to invite Sid to my podcast. We explore why building for accuracy rather than instant gratification creates differentiation in competitive markets. Sid shares hard-won lessons about segment selection, the hidden cost of trying to serve everyone, and why their first 10 customers taught them more about usage patterns than any growth hack could. You’ll hear how customers measured ROI not in hours logged, but in the depth of impact—renewing and expanding after a single insight shifted key client conversations.

We also zoom in on two of the 10 traits that define remarkable software companies:

 • They acknowledge they cannot please everyone
 • They aim to be different, not just better

Sid's story is proof that constraints drive innovation—and capital efficiency forces strategic clarity.

Here's one of Sid's quotes that captures his approach to capital efficiency:

"Capital efficiency for us, being slightly constrained at times, actually helps us in being more innovative. The most innovations, the most disruptive ideas, actually come out of constraints. We don't want to give our team that luxury that, hey, there's enough money on the table that I can go and do a land grab. We need to still solve a few fundamentals."

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

 • Why accuracy at scale requires patience—not just better prompts
 • What happens when you design for outcomes instead of feature parity
 • When capital constraints become competitive advantages rather than limitations
 • Why your first 10 customers teach you more about segmentation than any persona document

Guest Information

For more information about the guest from this week:

 • Guest: 
Sid Masson • , CEO and Co-founder of Wokelo AI
 • Website: 
wokelo.ai • Email: 
sid@wokelo.ai

#393 – How Andrei Pitis killed a working product and grew 10x in months

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