How did former ATF agent Jay Dobyns spend years undercover with the Hells Angels and live to tell the tale? Listen to this two-parter to find out! [Pt. 1/2]
What We Discuss with Jay Dobyns:
• Jay Dobyns was shot and nearly killed just four days into his ATF career • , but rather than quitting, he used this experience to build credibility and learn valuable lessons about how quickly situations can turn violent in law enforcement.
• The ATF's undercover program was considered elite among law enforcement agencies • , with ATF agents being particularly skilled at getting "down in the weeds" of criminal investigations due to their backgrounds in local law enforcement rather than specialized fields.
• Jay explains that successful undercover work is like being a salesman where "the product is me" • — it requires building genuine trust and relationships while knowing you'll eventually have to betray that trust, making it psychologically challenging work.
• To establish credibility in criminal circles, Jay and his team would create elaborate "street theater" • — staged criminal scenarios with other undercover agents that allowed suspects to witness what appeared to be real criminal activity rather than just hearing stories about it.
• Here, we learn how complex and sophisticated undercover work can be, highlighting valuable lessons about building trust and credibility through actions rather than words • — and there's much more to come in part two later this week!
• And much more — be sure to hear the second half of this conversation here later this week! •
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